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jcity of Springfield
Development Services Department
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Springfield, OR 97477
LAND DIVISION TENTATIVE.
PRE-SUBMITTAL CHECKLIST
Partition
Project Name: Sycan B partition
Project Proposal: This review is based on the materials submitted on Jan 3, 2011. Those
materials show a 3 lot partition, with a single family, detached dwelling on each lot, and a
septic system serving each dwelling,
Case Number: PREll-00001
Project Address: vacant parcel, Railroad RWO, Near Mallard and Game Farm Rds,
Assessors Map and Tax Lot Number(s): 1703221320801
Zoning: Low Density Residential (LDR)
Overlay District(s): Drinking WaterPrqtection Overlay, 10-20 year Time of Travel Zone
Applicable Refinement Plan: Gateway:
Refinement Plan Designation: LowDensity Residential (LDR)
Metro Plan Designation: Low Density Residential (LDR)
Pre-Submittal Meeting Date: January 11, 2011
Application Submittal Deadline: July 10, 2011
Associated Applications:
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POSITION REVIEW OF
"Pro"ect Planner Land Use Plannin
Trans ortation Plannin En ineer Trans ortation
Public Works Civil Engineer Utilities, Sanitary &
Storm Sewer
Fire and Life Safe
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NAME
Steve Ho kins
Michael Liebler
Clayton Mceachern
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726-3649
736-1034
736-1036
De ut Fire Marshal
Communi Services Mana er
Gilbert Gordon
Dave Puent
726-2293
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Owner
Richard Boyles, Whitney Boss
Sycan B Corp
840 Beltline Rd #202
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Applicant's Representative
Scott Goebel
Goebel Engineering and Surveying
310 Garfield St
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LAND DIVISION TENTATIVE PLAN APPLICATION
PRE-SUBMITTAL CHECKLIST
. PLANNING
o Application Fees (provide a copy ~f the test fees) $ 5,274.55
approximate.
o Copy of the Land Division Plan reduced to 8'/2"x 11"
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8 V2" X 11" Copy of Land Division Plan
o Copy of the deed and a preliminclrY title report issued within the past 30 days
documenting ownership and listing all encumbrances. If the applicant is not the property
owner, written permission from the property owner is required.
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Deed and Preliminary Title Report
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o Brief narrative explaining the purpose of the development, the existing use of the
property, and any additional information that may have a bearing in determining the
action to be taken. I'
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Brief Narrative
o Land Division Tentative Plan
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Prepared by an Oregon licensed Land
Surveyor in accordance with ORS 92
City boundaries, the Urban Growth
Boundary, and any special service district
boundaries or railroad right-of-way which
cross or abut the property
Location and width of all existing and
proposed easements on and abutting the
property
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Boundaries of the entire area owned by the
property owner, of which the proposed land
division is a part, as well as dimensions and
size of each parcel and the approximate
dimensions of each building site indicating
the top and toe of cut and fill slopes to scale
Location, widths and names of all existing
and proposed streets, alleys, dedications or
other right-of-ways within or adjacent to the
proposed land division. Proposed streets
should also include approximate radius of
curves and grades and relationship to any
projected streets as shown on the Metro
Plan, TransPlan, Conceptual Development
Plan, or Conceptual Local Street Map
Location of existing and required traffic
control devices, fire hydrants, power poles,
transformers, neighborhood mailbox units
and similar public facilities
Location of existing and proposed street
lighting, including type, height, and area of
illumination
Location and dimensions of existing and
proposed driveways
Location of existing and proposed transit
facilities
Location and width of all existing and
proposed sidewalks, sidewalk ramps,
pedestrian access ways, and bike trails
Location, size, and type of plantings and
street trees in any required planter strip
The locations of all areas to be dedicated or
reserved for public use, with the purpose,
condition, or limitations of the reservations
clearly indicated
Location and size of existing and proposed
utilities on and adjacent to the site including
sanitary sewer mains, storm water
management systems, water mains, power,
gas, telephone, and cable TV. Indicate the
proposed connection points.
o Future Development Plan where phasing or large lots/parcels are proposed as
specified in SDC 5.12-120 E. .
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Future Development Plan
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Planning Notes:
1. The title report states "Kapka, Int. acquired title as Sycan B by merger dated March
26, 1992." The Oregon Businesslregistry database confirms that Sycan B merged in
1992, but does not identify the other company. Submit evidence documenting the
connection between Kapka and Syc,an B.
2. Tentative plan approval cannot be issued until the sanitarian issues septic approval. It
is recommended, but not required, to submit sanitation approval with the partition
application. Refer to SDC 3.3-825(B). This is not applicable after: the property is
annexed, since connection to the;public sanitary sewer would be required. This
comment is included for information only.
3. SUB and/or EWEB may request an easement for the transmission lines on the S
property line and the distribution lines on the N property line. This may impact the
buildable area. ' '
4. The paving for the driveway must support 80,000 Ibs. If pervious paving is proposed,
or the cross-section is not 4/12, an engineer's stamp is required to verify the load
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For the proposed partition, it appears SDC: 3.3-825, SMC 3.350 and OAR 340-071-0160
require annexation and connection to ttlesanitary sewer. The reasons are:
. the property is within 300 feet of sanitary sewer, and
. the site is adjacent to the city limits, and
. there is no topographic feature that makes connection to the s(lnitary sewer physically
impracticaL
The applicable law is listed on the next page.
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Applicable law regarding annexation, septic approval and connection to sanitary sewer
Springfield Development Code 3.3-825(E)
Connection to the Sanitary Sewer System. Ai}y property to be partitioned that is within the distances
specified in OAR 340-071-0160(4)(A) for connection to the City's sanitary sewer system shall require
annexation to the City prior to Partition Tenmtiye Plan submittal, unless the Director determines that a
topographic or man-made feature makes the connection physically impractical. In the event of such
determination, the Partition application may be;approved without annexation.
Springfield Municipal Code 3.350
A person erecting or maintaining a water closet; sink, bathtub, or drain in the city upon property within
300 feet of any public sanitary sewer shall connect the facility with the sewer at his own expense, in the
manner and under regulations and supervisi<m'prescribed by the city.
OAR 340-071-0160
(1) Permittees. A permit for construction of a: system may be issued under this rule only to the owner of
the real property that the system will serve. I
(2) Application. A completed application for,:a construction - installation, alteration, or repair permit
must be submitted to the appropriate agent on ~pproved forms with all required exhibits the applicable
permit application fee in OAR 340-071-0140(3). Applications that are not completed in accordance with
this section will not be accepted for filing. Except as otherwise allowed in this division, the exhibits must
include:
(a) A site evaluation report approving the site for the type and quantity of waste to be disposed.
Agents may waive the requirement for the report and fee for applications for repair or alteration
permits.
(b) A land use compatibility statement /Tom the appropriate land use authority signifying that the
proposed land use is compatible with the Land Conservation and Development Commission-
acknowledged comprehensive plan or complies with the statewide planning goals.
(c) Plans and specifications for the oni;ite system proposed for installation within the area
identified and approved by the agent in a site evaluation report. The agent must determine and
request the minimum level of detail necessary to insure proper system construction.
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(d) Any other information the agent determines is necessary to cOlnplete the permit application.
(3) Deadlines for action. The agent must either iSsue or deny the permit within 20 days after receipt of the
completed application unless weather conditions or distance and unavailability of transportation prevent
the agent from timely action. The agent must notify the applicant in writing of any delay and the reason
for delay and must either issue or deny the permit within 60 days after the mailing date of notification.
(4) Permit denial. The agent must deny a permit if any of the following occurs.
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(a) The application contains false information.
(b) The application was wrongfully received by the agent
(c) The proposed system would not cqmply with applicable requirements in this division or in
OAR chapter 340, division 073.
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(d) The proposed system, if construct!"d; would violate a commission moratorium under OAR 340-
071-0460. '
(e) The proposed system location is encumbered as described in OAR 340-071-0130(8).
(f) A sewerage system that can serve the proposed sewage flow is both legally and physically
available, as described in paragraphs (A) and (B) of this subsection.
(A) Physical availability.
(i) A sewerage system is considered available if topographic or man-made features
do not make connectioh physically impractical and one of the following applies.
(I) For a single faritily dwelling or other establishment with a maximum
projected daily sewage flow not exceeding 899 gallons, the nearest sewerage
connection pohlt from the property to be served is within 300 feet.
(II) For a proposed subdivision or group of two to five single family
dwellings or other establishment with the equivalent projected daily sewage
flow, the nearest sewerage connection point from the property to be served
is not further tIian" 200 feet multiplied by the number of dwellings or
dwelling equival~ts.
(llI) For propos~d; subdivisions or other developments with more than five
single family d1:"ellings or equivalent flows, the agent will determine
sewerage availability.
(B) Legal availability. A sewe~flge system is deemed legally available if the system is not
under a department connection permit moratorium and the sewerage system owner is
willing or obligated to provide sewer service.
(5) Permit effective dates. A permit issued for c9nstruction of a system pursuant to this rule is effective for
one year from the date of issuance. After a system has been installed pursuant to the permit and a
Certificate of Satisfactory Completion has been issued for the installation, conditions specified in the
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Certificate of Satisfactory Completion continy.e in force as long as the system is in use.
(6) Permit renewal, reinstatement, or transfer. An agent may renew, reinstate, or transfer a permit if the
following conditions are met.
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(a) The applicant submits a complete4 application for permit renewal before the permit expiration
date or for reinstatement within one year after the permit expiration date.
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(b) Applications for transfer of a perciit from a permittee to another person must be filed before
the permit expiration date. Only the name of the permittee may be changed in a transfer.
(c) Applications for permit renewal, r~instatement, or transfer must conform to the requirements
of this rule and the permit will be issued or denied in accordance with this rule.
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(7) Temporary holding tank. If a permit has been issued pursuant to these rules but existing soil moisture
conditions preclude the construction of the s?il ,absorption system, an agent may approve installation of a
septic tank for use as a temporary holding tailldor up to 12 months. Before approval, the permittee must
demonstrate that the outlet of the tank has been sealed with a water tight seal and that the permittee has
entered into a pumping contract for the tank, The septic tank must be designed and constructed in
accordance with OAR 340-071-0340.
Stat. Auth.: ORS 454.625 & 468.020
Stats. Implemented: ORS 454.615 & 454.655
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ANY REQUIRED ADDITIONAL MATERIALS, APPLICATIONS OR
., PERMITS
IT IS THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE IF ADDITIONAL STANDARDS OR
APPLICATIONS APPLY TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT SHOULD
CONSIDER UTILIZING EITHER THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES MEETING OR THE PRE-
APPLICATION REPORT FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION:
Applicable
Not
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Proposed deed restrictions and a draft of any Homeowner's
Association Agreement
Additional plans and documentation for submittal of a Cluster
Subdivision ptoposal as specified in SDC 3.2-230
Riparian Area.' Protection Report for properties located within 150
feet of the top of bank of any Water Quality Limited Watercourses
(WQLW) or within 100 feet of the top of bank of any direct
tributaries of WQLW
A Geotechnical Report prepared by an engineer must be
submitted concurrently if there are unstable soils and/or a high
water table present
Where the development area is within an overlay district, address
the additional' standards of the overlay district
If five or more trees are proposed to be removed, a Tree Felling
Permit as specified in SDC 5.19-100
A wetland delineation approved by the Oregon Division of State
Lands must be submitted concurrently where there is a wetland
on the property
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Any required federal or state permit must be submitted
concurrently or evidence the permit application has been
submitted for' review
Where any grading, filling or excavating is proposed with the
development,: a Land and Drainage Alteration permit must be
submitted prior to development
An Annexation application, as specified in SDC 5.7-100, where a
development ,is proposed outside of the city limits but within the
City's urban service area and can be served by sanitary sewer
All public improvements proposed to be installed and to include
the approximate time of installation and method of financing
Where applicable, any Discretionary Use or Variance as specified
in SDC 5.9-100 and 5.21-100
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THIS APPLICATION IS:
D COMPLETE FOR PROCESSING
~ INCOMPLETE AND NEEDS MISSING INFORMATION NOTED ABOVE
City Planner
Date
This is not a decision on your application. Springfield Development Code Section 5.4-
105 and Oregon Revised Statutes 227.178 require the City take final action on a limited land
use decision within 120 days after the application is deemed complete. The 120-day
processing period for this application begins when all the missing information is submitted or
when you request that the City proceed 'without the information. You must indicate by either
signing this form or by submitting a written response to the City within seven days of the
date of this form asserting your intentions regarding the provision of the missing information.
If you indicate herein or in your written response that the missing information will be
submitted, then you have 180 days from the date the application was submitted for Pre-
Submittal Review to provide the City with the missing information. If you refuse to submit
the missing information, then upon receipt of the full application packet and processing fee,
the City will deem the application complete for purposes of starting the 120-day clock and
begin processing the application. No new information may be submitted after the start of
the 120-day period unless accompanied by a request for an extension of the 120-day
processing time. Upon receipt of a request for extension, the City may extend the 120-day
period for a reasonable period of time. The City may also require additional fees if the new
information is submitted after the Notification to Surrounding Property Owners is sent out
and a second notification is required or if the new information substantially affects the
application proposal and additional review is required.
I, the owner/applicant, intend to submit all missing items indicated herein to the
City within the ISO-day timeline. .
Owner/Applicant's Signature
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Memorandum
City of Springfield
Date: January 10th, 2011
To: Steve Hopkins - Planning
From: Michael Liebler, P.E., Civil Engineer
Subject: PYJ11-00001 Sycan B 3 Lot Partition, Transportation Comments
The Transportation Division has reviewed the materials provided with the subject application.
The required findings and conditions outlined below are provided for your implementation
into the land use decision. .
General
Findina: Approval of this proposal woula partition one lot into three parcels. The entire
development site is located roughly 100, feet north of the Game Farm RDjMallard Ave.
intersection. The property extends from Game Farm Rd north and west along old SP ROW.
Site Access and Circulation ImDacts'
Finding: Game Farm road is under the jurisdiction of Lane County. An access permit from
Lane County for the proposed driveway .would need to be completed for approval of this
partition.
Finding: Submitted drawings do not show driveway curve radii. Turning templates showing
that a typical fire truck and private vehicle can successfully navigate and circulated within the
development would be needed for approval. .
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LAND DIVISION TENTATIVE PLAN APPLICATION
PRE-SUBM!ITTAL CHECKLIST
Engineer: Clayton McEachern Case#: PREll-OOOOl
PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING
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o Site Assessment of Existing Conditions
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Prepared by an Oregon licensed Landscape Architect
or Engineer
Vicinity Map
The name, location, and dimensions of all existing site
features including buildings, curb cuts, trees, and
impervious surface areas, clearly indicating what is
remaining and what is being removed. For existing
structures to remain, also indicate present use and
required setbacks from proposed property lines
The name, location, dimensions, direction of flow and
top of bank of all watercourses and required riparian
setback that are shown on the Water Quality Limited
Watercourse Map on file in the Development Services
Department
The lOO-year floodplain and f100dway boundaries on
tl;1e site, as specified in the latest adopted FEMA Flood
Insurance Rate Maps or FEMA approved Letter of Map
Amendment or Letter of Map Revision
The Time of Travel Zones, as specified in SDC 3.3-200
ahd delineated on the Wellhead Protection Areas Map
on file in the Development Services Department
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Physical features including, but not limited to trees 5"
in diameter or greater when measured 4 V2 feet above
the ground, significant clusters of trees and shrubs,
riparian areas, wetlands and rock outcroppings
Soil types and water table information as mapped and
specified in the Soils Survey of Lane County. A
Geotechnical Report prepared by an Engineer must be
submitted concurrently if the Soils Survey indicates
tne proposed development area has unstable soils
and/or a high water table
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o Land Division Tentative Plan
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Prepared by an Oregon licensed Land Surveyor in
aCcordance with ORS 92
Location and width of all existing and proposed
easements on and abutting the property
BoUndaries of the entire area owned by the property
Qwner, of which the proposed land division is a part,
as well as dimensions and size of each parcel and the
approximate dimensions of each building site
indi,cating the top and toe of cut and fill slopes to scale
Location of existing and required power poles,
t~ansformers, neighborhood mailbox units, and similar
public facilities
Location and size of existing and proposed utilities on
and adjacent to the site including sanitary sewer
mains, stormwater management systems, water
rT)ains, power, gas, telephone, and cable TV. Indicate
the, proposed connection points
o Stormwater Management Plan
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Prepared by an Oregon licensed Civil Engineer
Planting plan prepared by an Oregon licensed
Landscape Architect where plants are proposed as
part of the stormwater management system
Roof drainage patterns and discharge locations
Pervious and impervious area drainage patterns
The size and location of stormwater management
systems components, including but not limited to:
drain lines, catch basins, dry wells and/or detention.
ponds; storm water quality measures; and natural
&ainageways to be retained
Existing and proposed spot elevations and contours
line,S drawn at 1 foot intervals (for land with a slope
over 10 percent, the contour lines may be at 5 foot
intervals)
Amount of proposed cut and fill
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o Stormwater Management System: Study - provide four (4) copies of the study with
the completed Storm water Scoping Sheet attached. The plan, calculations, and
documentation must be consistent .with the Engineering Design Standards and
Procedures Manual.
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Scoping Sheet and attached Stormwater Management
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1. Provide a signed Professional Engineer's Seal on the plans.
2. Infiltration Planters require vegetation for proper stormwater treatment prior to
infiltration. Provide planting .plan showing adequate vegetation
3. location of infiltration planters for roof runoff not shown.
4. Road cross section required for pervious pavement and infiltration planter location
and tributary area. ' ,
5. provide contours or slope for all pa)fed surfaces, or stormwater tributary areas. If no
slope is planned for imperviqus pavement provide cross section and slope arrow
indicating this ' I
6. also required for LDAP permit.
7. Infiltration tests need to be performed for both the pervious pavement and infiltration
planters per guidelines in section 2.5 of the City of Portland drainage manual for
surface infiltration facility. A total of two infiltration tests will be acceptable for
the facilities outlined in this submittal.
8. Does any easement exist for the existing power lines that run along the southern
property boundary, if not please provide correspondance from utility owner that
no easement is required
Additional comments not related to the completeness of the application:
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. Please include match lines on sheet 4 for plan readibility.
. There appears to be an extra boundary line on sheet 5 which extends to the
centerline of Game Farm Road with no explanation (30' width just below 50' R/W
dimension)
. provide information regarding the proposed pervious pavement section to withstand
an 80,OOOlb load if used for fire department access
. Since the pervious pavement is being used as a storm water treatment facility a
maintenance agreement wifl :be required with clearly defined responsibility for
repair and replacement "
. As a condition of the access easement a restriction will need to be added regarding
maintenance of the pervious" pavement.
. It is the opinion of public works that any division of this property for the purpose of
additional residential construction will require annexation and construction of
public sewer lines to all future residences due to proximity to existing sewer lines.
. It appears that the driveway off of Game Farm Rd is not in the access easement
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TENTATIVE LAND~ DIVISION APPLICATION
PRE-SUBMITTAL CHECKLIST
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Deputy Fire Marshal: Gilbert Gordon
Case #: PREll-00001
FIRE
o Tentative Land Division Plan
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[ocation, widths and names of all existing and
proposed streets, alleys, dedications or other right-of-
ways within or adjacent to the proposed land division
Location of existing and required fire hydrants
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Fire Notes:
1. Proposed fire department turn-around does not meet code requirements: 70 feet
required-50 feet shown per 2010 Springfield Fire Code Figure 0103.1. However,
an option allowed in 2010 Springfield Fire Code 503.1.1, Exception 1 allows the
fire code official to modify this' requirement if the buildings are equipped
throughout with an automatic sprinkler system installed per Sections 903.3.1.1,
903.3.1.2 or 903.3.1.3 (NFPA 13, NFPA 13R or NFPA 130).
Additional comments not related to the completeness of the application:
. Rainbow Water District water line locations do not appear to match those on SUB
Water Department maps. Please confirm 15 or 18 inch water line location.
. The partition narrative notes that the street width is only 18 feet. 2010 SFC 503.2.1
requires fire apparatus accessi,roads to have an unobstructed width of not less
than 20 feet.
. The fire apparatus access road shall support an 80,000 lb. imposed load per SFC
. 503.2.3 and SFC Appendix 0102.1.
. "No Parking-Fire Lane" signage or curb markings shall be installed on both sides of
the fire apparatus access road per 2010 SFC 503.2.1,503.3 and Appendix
0103.6.
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TENTATIVE SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION
PRE-SUBMITTAL CHECKLIST
Community Services: Kip Kaufman Case #: Prell-DODO!
BUILDING
o Site Assessment of Existing Conditions
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Soil types and water table information as
mapped and specified in the Soils Survey of
Lane County. A Geotechnical Report prepared
by an Engineer must be submitted
concurrently if the Soils Survey indicates the
proposed development area has unstable soils
and/or a high water table
o Site Plan
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Proposed buildings: location, dimensions, size
(gross floor area), setbacks from property
lines, distance between buildings
Location, dimensions, and number of typical,
compact, and disabled parking spaces;
including aisles, landscaped areas, wheel
bumpers, directional signs, and striping
On-site loading areas and vehicular and
pedestrian circulation
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Existing and proposed spot elevations and
contours lines drawn at 1 foot intervals (for
land with a slope over 10 percent, the contour
. lines may be at 5 foot intervals)
Amount of proposed cut and fill
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structures proposed for the development site,
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Conceptual floor plans
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Location, orientation, and maximum height of
exterior light fixtures, both free standing and
attached
Type and extent of shielding, including cut-off
angles and type of illumination, wattage, and
luminous area
Photometric test report for each light source
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Building Notes:
1. The proposed single family dwellings are not adequately detailed to illustrate how
the setbacks to property lines are maintained in relation to structural elements
such as the required exit doors and landings, roof eaves, decks and balconies
over 30 inches above finished grade, etc...
Additional comments not related to the completeness of the application:
. 1. Please provide complete civil, plan drawings including scale, dimensions,
setbacks to property lines, distances between structures, fire service lines, fire
hydrants, fire access, easements, utilities, parking, accessible routes, etc...
. 2. Please provide a complete set of plan documents wet-signature stamped by the
architects and engineers of record, including geo. tech. reports, building code
analysis, fire and life safety plan review, accessibility, plumbing fixture analysis,
'engineering for vertical and lateral loads with calculations and construction
details, foundation plan, elevations, cross sections, floor plans, floor framing,
roof framing, etc...
. 3. Please provide automatic sprinkler system plans, fire and smoke alarm plans
including visible alarms, fire rated assemblies and opening protectives including
construction details and listings, etc..,
. 4. Please provide electrical, plumbing and mechanical plan drawings including
engineering for seismic bracing; etc...
. 5. Please provide non-residential energy forms for exterior envelope, HVAC
systems, lighting systems, etc...
. 6. Please provide documents for any special circumstances such as demolition, site
grading or waste water issues.
. 7. Please provide Special Inspection Form signed by all responsible parties for any
required special inspections.
. 8. Please provide Deferred Submittal Form signed by all responsible parties for any
deferred submittals.
Revised 10/25/07