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L1MBIRD Andrew
Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:36 AM
'glarsen@bhengineers.com'; 'CHINITZ Amy C.'; 'Scott Walker'
tguard@bhengineers.com; rnossaman@bhengineers.com; MCEACHERN Clay10n
RE: Generator containment info
Geoff: Parking lot improvements for the Gateway Mall Cabela's project encompass parts of the mapped 10-20 and 20+
year Time of Travel Zones. However, staff has determined that the Cabela's generator will be located within Tax Lot
2219, which is outside the 20 Year Time of Travel Zone. Therefore, a DWP application will not be required. Stormwater
management requirements still apply to the proposed generator enclosure and may include a hard-piped connection to
the stormwater system with shutoff valve. Staff does not support piping the generator enclosure drainage to the
outside wall and allowing it to drain across the sidewalk and parking lot. I would encourage you to discuss the
stormwater drainage details with the City's Public Works Engineer for this project, Clayton McEachern. Clayton can be
reached at 541-736-1036 or by email: cmceachern(aJspringfield-or.gov. l!there are other questions or issues that arise,
don't hesitate to contact me. Thanks
Andy Limbird
City of Springfield
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L1MBIRD Andrew
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Geoff Larsen [glarsen@bhengineers.com]
Wednesday, February 02,20118:18 AM
'CHINITZ Amy C.'; 'Scott Walker'
L1MBIRD Andrew; tguard@bhengineers.com; rnossaman@bhengineers.com
FW: Generator containment info
DWP Map detail.doc
Amy,
As a follow-up to my earlier email, please see attached map showing the TOTZ's and Cabela's building.
Scott,
For your use - please see attached.
Thanks,
Geoff Larsen, P.E.
Civil Engineer
Balzhlser & Hubbard Engineers
Mechanical ~ Electrical - Civil- Energy - Lighting - Surveying - Commissioning - Sustainability
100 West 13th Avenue, Eugene, Oregon 97401 (541) 686-8478 fax (541)345-5303
From: Geoff Larsen [mailto:glarsen@bhengineers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:02 AM
To: 'CHINm Amy C.'
Cc: 'LIMBIRD Andrew'; 'tguard@bhengineers.com'; 'Scott Walker'; 'rnossaman@bhengineers.~om'
Subject: RE: Generator containment info
Amy,
The proposed drainage for this project would involve a pipe through the concrete curb that borders the generator
enclosure, with the pipe daylighting to the sidewalk adjacent to the generator enclosure. The pipe would terminate at a
valve on the inside of the enclosure wall. Drainage leaving the enclosure would travel across the sidewalk and across
the parking lot, ultimately entering an existing catch basin which drains to the swales at the west edge ofthe property.
This drainage concept assumes that the generator enclosure is open to above, the generator itself is constructed with a
containment pan under the generator to contain leaks from lube and antifreeze, and the valve through the curb will be
closed during refueling operations and generator maintenance.
The City of Springfield is not imposing any stormwater treatment requirements for this project, so Cabela's would
probably not install a filter insert within the existing catch basin unless this was a SU8 DWP requirement. Please let me
know if this raises any concerns.
I do have a couple of additional items that I would like to clarify with you.
1.) Although the Cabela's building itself is within the 20+ TOTZ, a portion ofthe Gateway Mall property is located
partly within the 10-20 year TOTZ. Per SDC 3.3-220.C.3, tax lots having parts lying within more than one TOT2
are governed by the standards of the more restrictive TOTZ. There are some exceptions to this rule (as defined
in SDC 3.3-220.C.3.a, b, and c), but it does not appear that the Mall property would qualify for all the necessary
conditions. Specifically, we understand that other uses within the Mall property preclude qualification for
condition 3.3-220.C.3.a. "Storage, use, handling, treatment, and/or production of hazaraous or other materials
that pose a risk to groundwater will not take place within the portion of the tax lot having the more restrictive
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needed for you to confirm.
2.) In the context of chemicals used for.landscaping, the Mall Owner (General Growth Properties) is responsible for
landscaping throughout the Mall property. Cabela's (the tenant) would not be directly involved in landscaping
operations. Does SUB have anything on record from previous DWP applications on the Mall property that would
address landscaping, or should this be addressed in the Cabela's DWP.application?
Thank you,
Geoff Larsen, P.E.
Civil Engineer
Balzhiser & Hubbard Engineers
Mechanical - Electrical- Civil- Energy - Ughting - Surveying - Commissioning - Sustainability
100 West 13th Avenue, Eugene, Oregon 97401 (541)686-8478 fax (541) 345-5303
From: CHINm Amy C. [mailto:AmyC@subutil.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:16 PM
To: glarsen@bhengineers.com
Cc: Scott Walker; tguard@bhengineers.com; UMBIRD Andrew
Subject: RE: Generator containment info
Geoff,
The original proposal was for the enclosure to drain to landscaping, but that was not possible because of
property boundary issues. Determining how and where the enclosure should drain will be site specific.
The shut-off valve is more like a ball valve, though I am not sure of the exact kind of valve they used (so,
no, not like a flood gate).
SUB would like to see an insert in the catch basin; however, the actual requirements come from the City,
not from SUB.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Amy
Amy E. Chinitz
Water Quality Protection Coordinator
Springfield Utility Board
202 South 18th Street
Springfield, OR 97477
Phone: 541.744.3745
Fax, S41.747.7348
From: Geoff Larsen [mailto:glarsen@bhengineers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:04 PM
To: CHINm Amy C.
Cc: 'Scott Walker'; tguard@bhengineers.com
Subject: RE: Generator containment info
Hi Amy,
Thank you much for the cut-sheet. If I am understanding the excerpt below correctly, it looks like the Springfield Dialysis
project used a flood gate at the wall of the enclosure, which drained through the wall across the ground surface to an
adjacent catch basin. Please let me know if this sounds accurate, and let me know if the attached stop gate is similar to
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.. the product used at Springfield DialY! Please also note that, for our project sit~e existing catch basin that would
accept drainage from the generator enclosure is not currently fitted with a flo-guard insert. Would SUB require the
Cabela's project to add an insert to the existing catch basin?
Thank you,
Geoff Larsen, P.E.
Civil Engineer
Balzhiser & Hubbard Engineers
Mechanical-Electrical- Civil- Energy - Ughting - ~uNeying - Commissioning - Sustainability
100 West 13th Avenue, Eugene, Oregon 97401 (541) 686-8478 fax (S41) 345-5303
Frqm: CHINm Amy C. [mailto:AmyC@subutil.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:34 AM
To: glarsen@bhengineers.com
Subject: Generator containment info
Geoff,
Pasted below is an excerpt from the Springfield Dialysis HMMP that explains the set-up. I have attached
the spec sheet for the sub-base containment tray. I apologize that it is full of my notes from a telephone
call with the manufacturer.
Back-up Generator and enclosure area (exterior):
The diesel fueled packaged engine generator has been designed wi
enclosure, fuel tank leak detector, sub~base containment tray, and,
foundation below the fuel tank/above the slab. The sealed and cur
gate that shall be kept open to allow for storm water drainage to th
with a Flo-guard filter insert. During filling of the fuel tank, the Opl
gate to ensure that any spills shall be contained in the curbed area.
immediately if any spillage occurs during filling.' A drain mat shall
stormwater catch basin in case of a spill. Before the flood gate is 0]
operator shall vlsually inspect the sealed slab for any spilled matel
instruction shall be posted on the generator. (See Appendix F)
Amy E. Chinitz
Water Quality Protection Coordinator
Springfield Utility Board
202 South 18th Street
Springfield. OR 97477
Phone: 541.744.374S
Fax! 541.747.7348
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Wednesday, February 02,20118:13 AM
MCEACHERN Clayton
FW: Generator containment info
Clayton: I don't support directing the drainage from the generator enclosure across the sidewalk, and this is probably
contrary to the City's adopted EDSPM standards. Any thoughts?
From: Geoft Larsen [mailto:glarsen@bhengineers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:02 AM
To: 'CHINm Amy C.'
Cc: UMBIRD Andrew; tguard@bhengineers.com; 'Scott Walker'; rnossaman@bhengineers.com
SUbject: RE: Generator containment info
Amy,
The proposed drainage for this project would involve a pipe through the concrete curb that borders the generator
enclosure, with the pipe daylighting to the sidewalk adjacent to the generator enclosure. The pipe would terminate at a
valve on the inside of the enclosure wall. D~1ifnage)eavir1!l.:th~er;c1osureWouliHravel.~c(;;~stii~c~~WiiTiZand across
~Jtarkin$'loi, ultimately entering an exi;ting cat~ basin ;;;kh'd,:~-i;~ to the swales ;; the west edge of the property.
This drainage concept assumes that the generator enclosure is open to above, the generator itself is constructed with a
containment pan under the generator to contain'leaks from lube and antifreeze, and the valve through the curb will be
closed during refueling operations and generator maintenance.
The City of Springfield is not imposing any stormwater treatment requirements for this project, so Cabela's would
probably not install a filter insert within the existing catch basin unless this was a SUB DWP requirement. Please let me
know if this raises any concerns.
I do have a couple of additional items that I would like to clarify with you.
1.) Although the Cabela's building itself is within the 20+ TUTZ, a portion ofthe Gateway Mall property is located
partly within the 10-20 year TOTI. Per SDC 3.3-220.C.3, tax lots having parts lying within more than'one TOTI
are governed by the standards of the more restrictive TOTI. There are some exceptions to this rule (as defined
in SDC 3.3-220.C.3.a, b, and c), but it does not appear that the Mall property would qualify for all the necessary
conditions. Specifically, we understand that other uses within the Mall property preclude qualification for
condition 3.3-220.C.3.a. "Storage, use, handling, treatment, and/or production of hazardous or other materials
that pose a risk to groundwater' will not take place within the portion of the tax lot having the more restrictive
TOTI standards". Please confirm that this is an accurate assessment, or let me know if more information is
needed for you to confirm.
2.) In the context of chemicals used for landscaping, the Mall Owner (General Growth Properties) is responsible for
landscaping throughout the Mall property. Cabela's (the tenant) would not be directly involved in landscaping
operations. Does SUB have anything on record from previous DWP applications on the Mall property that would
address landscaping, or should this be addressed in the Cabela's DWP application?
Thank you,
Geoff Larsen, P.E.
Civil Engineer
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Mechanical - Electrical- Civil - Energy - Ughting - Surveying - Commissioning - Sustainability
100 West 13th Avenue, Eugene, Oregon 97401 (541) 686-8478 fax (541) 345-5303
From: CHINm Amy C. [mailto:AmyC@subutil.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01,2011 2:16 PM
To: glarsen@bhengineers.com
Cc: Scott Walker; tguard@bhengineers.com; LlMBIRD Andrew
Subject: RE: Generator containment info
Geoff,
The original proposal was for the enclosure to drain to landscaping, but that was not possible because of
property boundary issues. Determining how and where the enclosure should drain will be site specific.
The shut-off valve is more like a ball valve, though I am not sure of the exact kind of valve they used (so,
no, not like a flood gate).
SUB would like to see an insert in the catch basin; however, the actual requirements come from the City,
not from SUB.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Amy
Amy E. Chinitz
Water Quality Protection Coordinator
Springfield Utility Board
202 South 18th Street
Springfield, OR 97477
Phone: 541.744.3745
Fax: 541.747.7348
From: Geoff Larsen [mailto:glarsen@bhengineers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:04 PM
To: CHINm Amy C.
Cc: 'Scott Walker'; tguard@bhengineers.com
Subject: RE: Generator containment info
Hi Amy,
Thank you much for the cut-sheet. If I am understanding the excerpt below correctly, it looks like the Springfield Dialysis
project used a flood gate at the wall ofthe enclosure, which drained through the wall across the ground surface to an
adjacent catch basin. Please let me know if this sounds accurate, and let me know if the attached stop gate is similar to
the product used at Springfield Dialysis. Please also note that, for our project site, the existing catch basin that would
accept drainage from the generator enclosure is not currently fitted with a flo-guard insert. Would SUB require the
Cabela's project to add an insert to the existing catch basin?
Thank you,
Geoff Larsen, P.E.
Civil Engineer
Balzhiser & Hubbard Engineers
Mechanical- Electrical - Civil- Energy - Lighting - Surveying - Commissioning - Sustainability
100 West 13th Avenue, Eugene, Oregon 97401 (541) 686-8478 fax (541) 34$-$303
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From: CHINm Amy C. [mailto:AmyC@subutil.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:34 AM
To: glarsen@bhengineers.com
Subject: Generator containment info
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Geoff,
Pasted below is an excerpt from the Springfield Dialysis HMMP that explains the set-up. I have attached
the spec sheet for the sub-base containment tray. I apologize that it is full of my notes from a telephone
call with the manufacturer.
Back-up Generator and enclosure area (exterior):
The diesel fueled packaged engine generator has been designed wi
enclosure, fuel tank leak detector, sub-base containment tray, and,
foundation below the fuel tank/above the slab. The sealed and cur
gate that shall be kept open to allow for storm water drainage to th
with a Flo-guard filter insert. During filling of the fuel tank, the ope
gate to ensure that any spills shall be contained in the curbed area.
immediately if any spillage occurs during filling. A drain mat shall
stormwater catch basin in case of a spill. Before the flood gate is 0]
operator shall visually inspect the sealed slab for any spilled matel
instruction shall be posted on the generator. (See Appendix F)
Amy E. Chinjtz
Water Quality Protection Coordinator
Springfield Utility Board
202 South 18th Street
Springfield, OR 97477
Phone' 541.744.3745
Fax: 541.747.7348
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