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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: DONOVAN James
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:58 PM
To: GRILE Bill; BOYATT Tom; L1MBIRD Andrew
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike Kaiser is going to discuss the issue withODOT. I would suggest a limited approach such as No Parking-
Loading Zone to allow use limited to large vehicles of either business.
JD
From: GRILE Bill
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:54 PM
To: BOYATTTom; UMBIRD Andrew; DONOVAN James
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
I don't know either but unless the adjacent business owner consents, I'm definitely not in favor or this!! Thanks.
...BiII
From: BOYATT Tom
Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:53 PM
To: GRILE Bill; UMBIRD Andrew
Cc: DONOVAN James
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
Importance: High
Parking removal that abuts a property other than the development property will be a very sticky issue. I
was under the impression that was off the table, but I guess someone should clarify what is really being
proposed since I can't tell from the email string. T
From: GRILE Bill
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:06 PM
To: UMBIRD Andrew
Cc: DONOVAN James; BOYATTTom
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
We're staying away from the parking removal issue, aren't we?
...BiII
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 20083:46 PM
To: UMBIRD Andrew
Cc: GRILE Bill; DONOVAN James .
Subject: Fw: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
Importance: High
Andy,
Date Received' 171;:1:WOI
Planner: AL
12/2/2008
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12/2/2008
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I am checking with the property owner and Enterprise to make sure they are okay with all of the
. ODOT requirements. The only question I have is the elimination of the parking on the east side
of 44th Street. I am not sure why they think they can do ihat or what the City thinks about that. I
am going to check with JRH Engineering (they did the truck turning analysis) to see if something
can be modified with the approach on 44th or vehicle storage to get the truck in without the
elimination of the parking on 44th. Does the City have any objections to the parking elimination
requirement?
Mike
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From: MARKARIAN Mollv
To: LANGE Jeffrev R; Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
I've forwarded this iniormation on to Andy Umbird as he is the now the Planner for this project.
Mike, in incorporating ODOTs requirements into your design, please make sure that the design
still meets all design and development standards of the Springfield Development Code.
Molly Markarian
Planner 11
City of Springfield - Development Services Department
541.726.4611
mmarkarian avci .sprinafield. or. us
From: LANGE Jeffrey R [rnailto:Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL 'Edward W; MARKARIAN Molly
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
,
,
Hi Mike,
I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have
agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please
incorporate the following design elements into your plans and.submiUhe completed plans to
ODOT for our review and approval. .
,
. Cpnstruct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate
the exiting design vehicle.
. . The approach can be a lowered sidewal.k design and must meet all ADA standards. .
. Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic.
. Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks.
. Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to.allow trucks to
exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient.
. ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-67 onto the
site the parking on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval
of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of rernoving the 44th Street
east side parking. .
. Onsite striping will not be required
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Date Received: I ).f/~!'
Planner: AL
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12/2/2008
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Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November.04, 2008 12:26 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988)
Jeff,
Thanks for your response. I think the oniy thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable
. curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less.
I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two
reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The
mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without.a mountable
curb, As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of
about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about
the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and
trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely
scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present
unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main
Street. Without the mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less
interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable
curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the
mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to
use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from
eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this
site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will
blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user.
Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs
(Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to
maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as
an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main)
not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add
safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are
breaking the rules to use it.
I did "not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the
.relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of
vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not
use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other
accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses
across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate
access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore
the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th
Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main
in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small
amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So
that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will
have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT
either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it
necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off.
There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping?
Date. Received;~/IM?J"
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Plea~e let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT
.requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible
concerns there may be with the proposed access: I certainly do not pretend to have all the
answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would welcome any insight you
have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely,
Mike
Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363
POAGE ENGINRRRTNG & SURVEYING" TNC.
PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.net
P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0t52 990 aBlE ST.
-- Original Message ---
From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: mkaiser@poaqe.net
Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn
Sent: Tuesday, November 04,200810:49 AM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike,
ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site
at 4396 Main Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you
design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following:
. A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach.
o A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accornmodate the'
trucks exiting
o "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway
.:'Truck E~it Only" sign for exiting vehicles.
. On site striping reflecting a right-out only.
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, OOOT Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: Michael Kaiser [mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:36 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; L1MBIRD Andrew
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) ,
Jeff,
I forgot to make sure what you mean by ,"lowered sidewalk design." I assume it is what I proposed, the "dust pan"
type approach. As layed out it does meet ADA and the City would require that as well.
Do we need to submit more plans to you or can the City to forward the construction plansto you (once submitted)
to determine if they comply with the other requirements (ie gates & signs)?
Mike
--- Original Message ---
From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; mmarkarian(Q)cLsorinofield.or.us
Sent:.Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
Hi Mike,
I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway pesigner and they have agreed to modify
ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design
elements into your;'plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval.
o Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design
vehicle
o The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards.
o Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic.
o Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks.
o Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The
design must incorpo.rate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient.
o ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to' get a WB-67 onto the site the parking
on the easterly sidl!l of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right~out approach will
be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking.
o Onsite striping will not be required
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988)
Jeff,
Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main
Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less.
I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it
presents a problem' for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to
enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images,
the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more
clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a
mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will
likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe
barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the
mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I
wonder if there arepther similar situ'ations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets)
and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a
worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the
site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site.
I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the
rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. .
Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter,
Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The
signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be
detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead
the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and
by those who are breaking the rules to use it.
I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small
number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main
Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for
traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including fiow from S.
44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located
between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main.
Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th
Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I
would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it
just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign
even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway.
If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if
ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off.
There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping?
Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements.
I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there fllay be with the
proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway
system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application.
Sincerely,
Mike
Michael 1. Kaiser, PE 56363
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Date Recelved:......::,L:..:/tt
Planner. AL
11/14/2008
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POAGE ENGINEERING & .WTRVFYTNG. TNC
PH 541/485-4505 FAX 5411485~5624 E-MAIL mkaiscr@poage.net
P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST.
--- Original Message -
From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: mkaiser@.1,1oaQe.net
Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike.
ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main
Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only
approach to incorporate the following:
,
. A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach.
. A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting
. "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway
. "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles.
. On site striping reflecting a right-out only.
Please conlact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield. OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
Date Received: /:/;:/:;001'
Planner: AL
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: Michael Kaiser lmkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:28 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; L1MBIRD Andrew
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Jeff,
I will check with the owner and Enterprise but I think all of the items are okay, with the exception of the parking
elimination on 44th Street. I am not sure if the City can do that nor do I think that they should. That is essentially
parking that would be associated with the adjacent property owner on the other side of the street. I will check with
JRH to see if we carl do a simple modification with the 44th street approach and/or the site layout (for vehicle
storage) that would enable the WB-67 vehicle to enter the site without elimination of the 44th street parking. I
also sent an e-mail to the City to see what their thoughts were on being able to eliminate parking on the east
side. I will let you know what I find out.
Also, for the record, Andrew Umbird is the City planner on this project now and not Molly Markarian. He is
included in the CC.
Thanks,
Mike
Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363
POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC.
PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.net
P.O. BOX 2S27 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST
--- Original Message ---
From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W ; mmarkarianlCilcLsDrinafield.or.us
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Hi Mike,
.1 discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify
ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design
elements into your plans and submit the, completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval.
. Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design
vehicle. .
. The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards.
Datf.l Received:#OO!
Planner: AL
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. Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic.
. Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks.
. Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The
design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. .
. ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-67 onto the site the parking
on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will
be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking.
. On site striping will not be required
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, DOOr Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988)
Jeff,
Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main
Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less.
I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it
presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and'entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to
enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images,
the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more
clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a
mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will
likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe
barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the
mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I
wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets)
and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a
worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the
site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site.
I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the
rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user.
Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter,
Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The
signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be
detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead.
the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and
by those who are breaking the rules to use it.
I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small
number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main
Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for
traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S.
44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located
between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main.
Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. .44th
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. Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I
would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it
just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign
even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway.
If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if
ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off.
There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping?
Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements.
I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the
proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway
system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application.
Sincerely,
Mike
Michael 1. Kaiser, PE 56363
POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING.INC.
PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiscr@poage.net
P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBlE ST.
-- Original Message -
From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: mkaiser@ooaae.net
Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn
Sent: Tuesday, November 04,200810:49 AM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike,
ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent_A-Car site at 4396 Main
Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only
approach to incorporate the following:
. A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach.
. A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting
. "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway
. "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles.
. On site striping reflecting a right-out only.
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
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L1MBIRD Andrew \
From: Michael Kaiser [mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14,2008 5:08 PM
To:L1MBIRD Andrew
Subject: Re: Springfield. Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Oh right. Good. You had me worried a bit only because my one statement, "I am not sure why they think they
can do that....... Anyway, have a nice weekend.
---- Original Message ---
From: L1MBIRD Andrew
To: Michael Kaiser
Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:39 PM
Subject: RE: Spri~gfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Actually, I meant the transportation staff would respond to you, not ODOT.. Hope that helps.
Andy
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: UMBIRD Andrew
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
If you haven't forwarded it to them I would prefer you didn't. I was going to call ODOT myself. Thanks
--- Original Message ----
From: L1MBIRD Andrew
To: Michael Kaiser
Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:00 PM
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike: I have forwarded your inquiry to the City's Transportation Division for a response. Thanks
Andy
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From: Michael KiJiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 20083:46 PM
To: UMBIRD Andrew
Cc: GRILE Bill; DONOVAN James
Subject: Fw: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
Andy,
I am checking with the property owner and Enterprise to make sure they are okay with.all of the ODOT
requirements. The only question I hilVe is the elimination of the parking on the east side of 44th Street. I am
not sure why they think they can do that or what the City thinks about that. I am going to check with JRH
Engineering (they. did the truck turning analysis) to see if something can be modified with the approach on
44th or vehicle storage to get the truck in without the elimination of the parking on 44th. Does the City. have
any objections to the parking elimination requirement?
12/2/2008
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From: MARKARIAN Mollv
To: LANGE Jeffrev,B ;.Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN Davie! ; CANTRELL Edward W
Sent: Friday,. November 14, 2008 1 :36 PM
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rerit-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
I've.forwarded this information on to Andy Umbird as he is the now the Planner for this project. Mike, in
incorporating ODOTs requirements into your design, please make sure that the design still meets all design
and development:standards of the Springfield Development Code.
Molly Markarian,
Planner II
City of Springfield - Development Services Department
541.726.4611 "
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From: LANGE Jeffrey R [mailto:Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; MARKARIAN Molly
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiserapp 8988)
Hi Mike,
I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify
ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design
elements into your plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval.
. Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design
vehicle.' .
. The approach can be a lowered sidewalk deSign and must meet all ADA standards.
. Install "Do Not :Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic.
. Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. .
. Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The
design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient.
. ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-6t onto the site the parkin9
on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will
be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking.
. Onsite striping ,will not be rECquired
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, OOOT Access Coordinator
644 A' Street '
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-"8080
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988)
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Jeff,
Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main
Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less.
I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb'for two reasons. First it
presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks
to enter Main at a' much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see ill the attached pdf
images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with
more clearance, I would wonder about the safety. of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a
mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will
likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe
barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the
mountable curb, ttucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I
wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used <on busy highways/Main Streets)
and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a
worse problem by: trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into
the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this
site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break
the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user.
Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter,
Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The
signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be
detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead
the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and
by those who are preaking the rules to use it.
. I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small
number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main
Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for
traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S.
44th Street and the businesses across Main .Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located
between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main.
Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th
Street. I am not s\lre that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I
would agree that [t is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site,
it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only"
sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state
highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will
do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off.
There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping?
Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT
requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there
maybe with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for
the State Highway system and would weicome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific
application. Sincerely,
Mike
Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363
POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC.
PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL ~kaiser@poage.nel
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P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBlE ST.
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From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: mkaiser@lpoaae.net
Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike,
ODOT has rece.ived your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396
Main Street Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only
approach to incorporate the following:
. A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach.
o A directionall approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting
,I . .'
o "Do Not Ente,r" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway
o "Truck Exit O'nly" sign for exiting vehicles.
';
. On site striping refiecting a right-out only.
Please contact.me if you have questions.
Thanks, .
Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR.97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: L1MBIRD Andrew
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:00 PM
To: DRISCOLL Jon
Subject: FW: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
Jon: Can you respond to Mr. Kaiser on the question of street parking? I'm going on vacation in a few minutes
and won't have time to prepare a suitable response.
I would think the adjacent property owner at 4418 Main Street would be the most concerned about a prohibition of
parking on the east side of 44th Street.....
Thanks
Andy
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:46 PM
To: UMBIRD Andrew
Cc: GRILE Bill; DONOVAN James
Subject: Fw: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
Andy,
I am checking with the property owner and Enterprise to make sure they are okay with all of the ODOT
requirements. The only question I have is the elimination of the parking on the east side of 44th Street. I am not
sure why they think they can do that or what the City thinks about that. I am going to check with JRH Engineering
(they did the truck turning analysis) to see if something can be modified with the approach on 44th or vehicle
storage to get the truck in without the elimination of the parking on 44th. Does the City have any objections to
the parking elimination requirement?
Mike
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From: MARKARIAN Moll\,
To: LANGE Jeffrev R ; Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988)
I've forwarded this information on to Andy Umbird as he is the now the Planner for this project. Mike, in
incorporating ODOTs requirements into your design, please make sure that the design still meets all design and
development standards of the Springfield Development Code.
Molly Markarian
Planner II
City of Springfield - Development Services Department
541.726.4611
mmarkarian((i)ci .sorinafield. or. us
From: LANGE Jeffrey R [mailto:Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Michael Kaiser
Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; MARKARIAN Molly
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Planner: AL
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Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988)
Hi Mike,
I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify
ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design
elements into your plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval.
. Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design
vehicle.
. The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards.
. Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic.
. Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks.
. Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The design
must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient.
. ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB~7 onto the site the parking
on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be
conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking.
. Onsite striping will not be required
Please contact me if you have questions.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, DOOr Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM
To: LANGE Jeffrey R
Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988)
Jeff,
Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main
Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less.
I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it
presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to
enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images,
the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more
clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a
mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will ~ock the transport vehicle and will
likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe
barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the
mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder.
if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found
to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem
by trying to use it? Ifmay deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from
eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the
signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are
making it unsafe for the actual intended user.
Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit
Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs
alone. will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by
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its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable
curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are
breaking the rules to use it.
I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small
number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street
from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or
worse, just looking '!t where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the
businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate
access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we
introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th Street. I am not sure that will
make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do
from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something
to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced
that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on ihe state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either,
we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after
reconsidering my argument to leave off.
There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping?
Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements.
I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the
proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway
system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application.
Sincerely,
Mike
Michael J. Kaiser,PE 56363
POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC.
PH 5411485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.nel
P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST.
- Original Message -
From: LANGE Jeffrev R
To: mkaiser@[1oaae.net
Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988)
Mike,
ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main
Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only
approach to incorporate the following:
. A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach.
. A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting
. "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway
. "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles.
. On site striping reflecting a right-out only.
11/14/2008
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Please contact me if you have questions.
. Thanks,
Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator
644 A' Street
Springfield, OR 97477
phone: (541) 744-8080
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