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HomeMy WebLinkAboutComments PLANNER 11/14/2008 Message Page 1 of4 ",' L1MBIRD Andrew From: DONOVAN James Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:58 PM To: GRILE Bill; BOYATT Tom; L1MBIRD Andrew Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike Kaiser is going to discuss the issue withODOT. I would suggest a limited approach such as No Parking- Loading Zone to allow use limited to large vehicles of either business. JD From: GRILE Bill Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:54 PM To: BOYATTTom; UMBIRD Andrew; DONOVAN James Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) I don't know either but unless the adjacent business owner consents, I'm definitely not in favor or this!! Thanks. ...BiII From: BOYATT Tom Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:53 PM To: GRILE Bill; UMBIRD Andrew Cc: DONOVAN James Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) Importance: High Parking removal that abuts a property other than the development property will be a very sticky issue. I was under the impression that was off the table, but I guess someone should clarify what is really being proposed since I can't tell from the email string. T From: GRILE Bill Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:06 PM To: UMBIRD Andrew Cc: DONOVAN James; BOYATTTom Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) We're staying away from the parking removal issue, aren't we? ...BiII From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 20083:46 PM To: UMBIRD Andrew Cc: GRILE Bill; DONOVAN James . Subject: Fw: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) Importance: High Andy, Date Received' 171;:1:WOI Planner: AL 12/2/2008 Message 12/2/2008 Page 2 of 4 I am checking with the property owner and Enterprise to make sure they are okay with all of the . ODOT requirements. The only question I have is the elimination of the parking on the east side of 44th Street. I am not sure why they think they can do ihat or what the City thinks about that. I am going to check with JRH Engineering (they did the truck turning analysis) to see if something can be modified with the approach on 44th or vehicle storage to get the truck in without the elimination of the parking on 44th. Does the City have any objections to the parking elimination requirement? Mike m--Original Message m__ From: MARKARIAN Mollv To: LANGE Jeffrev R; Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) I've forwarded this iniormation on to Andy Umbird as he is the now the Planner for this project. Mike, in incorporating ODOTs requirements into your design, please make sure that the design still meets all design and development standards of the Springfield Development Code. Molly Markarian Planner 11 City of Springfield - Development Services Department 541.726.4611 mmarkarian avci .sprinafield. or. us From: LANGE Jeffrey R [rnailto:Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL 'Edward W; MARKARIAN Molly Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) , , Hi Mike, I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your plans and.submiUhe completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. . , . Cpnstruct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design vehicle. . . The approach can be a lowered sidewal.k design and must meet all ADA standards. . . Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic. . Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. . Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to.allow trucks to exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. . ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-67 onto the site the parking on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of rernoving the 44th Street east side parking. . . Onsite striping will not be required Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Date Received: I ).f/~!' Planner: AL Message 12/2/2008 Page 3 of4 Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Tuesday, November.04, 2008 12:26 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the oniy thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable . curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less. I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without.a mountable curb, As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are breaking the rules to use it. I did "not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the .relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping? Date. Received;~/IM?J" Planner; AL Message 12/2/2008 Page 4 of 4 Plea~e let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT .requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the proposed access: I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINRRRTNG & SURVEYING" TNC. PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.net P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0t52 990 aBlE ST. -- Original Message --- From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: mkaiser@poaqe.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04,200810:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach. o A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accornmodate the' trucks exiting o "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway .:'Truck E~it Only" sign for exiting vehicles. . On site striping reflecting a right-out only. Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, OOOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 o Ri! he '^ D~te Received: -4;.i /.:za1? Planner: AL '. Message Page 1 of3 L1MBIRD Andrew From: Michael Kaiser [mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:36 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; L1MBIRD Andrew Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) , Jeff, I forgot to make sure what you mean by ,"lowered sidewalk design." I assume it is what I proposed, the "dust pan" type approach. As layed out it does meet ADA and the City would require that as well. Do we need to submit more plans to you or can the City to forward the construction plansto you (once submitted) to determine if they comply with the other requirements (ie gates & signs)? Mike --- Original Message --- From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; mmarkarian(Q)cLsorinofield.or.us Sent:.Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) Hi Mike, I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway pesigner and they have agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your;'plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. o Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design vehicle o The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards. o Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic. o Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. o Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The design must incorpo.rate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. o ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to' get a WB-67 onto the site the parking on the easterly sidl!l of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right~out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking. o Onsite striping will not be required Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] I . ;'-0ived: ,.''''tiller: AL //P'//Ja?I' 11/14/2008 Message Page 2 on Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less. I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it presents a problem' for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder if there arepther similar situ'ations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. . Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are breaking the rules to use it. I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including fiow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping? Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there fllay be with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael 1. Kaiser, PE 56363 . II!,J/ ~tf Date Recelved:......::,L:..:/tt Planner. AL 11/14/2008 Message Page 3 of3 POAGE ENGINEERING & .WTRVFYTNG. TNC PH 541/485-4505 FAX 5411485~5624 E-MAIL mkaiscr@poage.net P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST. --- Original Message - From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: mkaiser@.1,1oaQe.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike. ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: , . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach. . A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting . "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway . "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles. . On site striping reflecting a right-out only. Please conlact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield. OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 Date Received: /:/;:/:;001' Planner: AL 11i14/2008 Message Page 1 of4 L1MBIRD Andrew From: Michael Kaiser lmkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:28 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; L1MBIRD Andrew Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, I will check with the owner and Enterprise but I think all of the items are okay, with the exception of the parking elimination on 44th Street. I am not sure if the City can do that nor do I think that they should. That is essentially parking that would be associated with the adjacent property owner on the other side of the street. I will check with JRH to see if we carl do a simple modification with the 44th street approach and/or the site layout (for vehicle storage) that would enable the WB-67 vehicle to enter the site without elimination of the 44th street parking. I also sent an e-mail to the City to see what their thoughts were on being able to eliminate parking on the east side. I will let you know what I find out. Also, for the record, Andrew Umbird is the City planner on this project now and not Molly Markarian. He is included in the CC. Thanks, Mike Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC. PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.net P.O. BOX 2S27 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST --- Original Message --- From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W ; mmarkarianlCilcLsDrinafield.or.us Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Hi Mike, .1 discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your plans and submit the, completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. . Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design vehicle. . . The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards. Datf.l Received:#OO! Planner: AL 11114/2008 Message Page 2 of 4 . Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic. . Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. . Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. . . ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-67 onto the site the parking on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking. . On site striping will not be required Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, DOOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less. I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and'entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead. the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are breaking the rules to use it. I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. .44th 11/1,.J!jGd I Date Received: Planner: AL 11/14/2008 Message Page 3 of 4 /. <} . Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping? Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael 1. Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING.INC. PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiscr@poage.net P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBlE ST. -- Original Message - From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: mkaiser@ooaae.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04,200810:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent_A-Car site at 4396 Main Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach. . A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting . "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway . "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles. . On site striping reflecting a right-out only. Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 Date Received' II/;r/;ool' I ' Planner: AL 11/14/2008 if Message Page 1 of 4 L1MBIRD Andrew \ From: Michael Kaiser [mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14,2008 5:08 PM To:L1MBIRD Andrew Subject: Re: Springfield. Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Oh right. Good. You had me worried a bit only because my one statement, "I am not sure why they think they can do that....... Anyway, have a nice weekend. ---- Original Message --- From: L1MBIRD Andrew To: Michael Kaiser Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:39 PM Subject: RE: Spri~gfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Actually, I meant the transportation staff would respond to you, not ODOT.. Hope that helps. Andy From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM To: UMBIRD Andrew Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) If you haven't forwarded it to them I would prefer you didn't. I was going to call ODOT myself. Thanks --- Original Message ---- From: L1MBIRD Andrew To: Michael Kaiser Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:00 PM Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike: I have forwarded your inquiry to the City's Transportation Division for a response. Thanks Andy - .. ~-~-~'",,""~'--'- . ._","-'" From: Michael KiJiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 20083:46 PM To: UMBIRD Andrew Cc: GRILE Bill; DONOVAN James Subject: Fw: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) Andy, I am checking with the property owner and Enterprise to make sure they are okay with.all of the ODOT requirements. The only question I hilVe is the elimination of the parking on the east side of 44th Street. I am not sure why they think they can do that or what the City thinks about that. I am going to check with JRH Engineering (they. did the truck turning analysis) to see if something can be modified with the approach on 44th or vehicle storage to get the truck in without the elimination of the parking on 44th. Does the City. have any objections to the parking elimination requirement? 12/2/2008 Date Raceived:~/y~?'r Planner: A\. !t Mess~ge Page 2 of 4 Mike m__ Original Message __on From: MARKARIAN Mollv To: LANGE Jeffrev,B ;.Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN Davie! ; CANTRELL Edward W Sent: Friday,. November 14, 2008 1 :36 PM Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rerit-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) I've.forwarded this information on to Andy Umbird as he is the now the Planner for this project. Mike, in incorporating ODOTs requirements into your design, please make sure that the design still meets all design and development:standards of the Springfield Development Code. Molly Markarian, Planner II City of Springfield - Development Services Department 541.726.4611 " mma rkarian lalci. sDri nofield. or. us , From: LANGE Jeffrey R [mailto:Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; MARKARIAN Molly Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiserapp 8988) Hi Mike, I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. . Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design vehicle.' . . The approach can be a lowered sidewalk deSign and must meet all ADA standards. . Install "Do Not :Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic. . Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. . . Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. . ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-6t onto the site the parkin9 on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking. . Onsite striping ,will not be rECquired Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, OOOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street ' Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-"8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) 12/2/2008 . Date Received:~P./.wo.c- Planner: AL ,> . Message Page 3 of4 Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less. I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb'for two reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a' much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see ill the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about the safety. of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the mountable curb, ttucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used <on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by: trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are preaking the rules to use it. . I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main .Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th Street. I am not s\lre that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that [t is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping? Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there maybe with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would weicome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC. PH 541/485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL ~kaiser@poage.nel Data Received: /~~dr Planner: AL 12/2/2008 .. . Message Page 4 of 4 P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBlE ST. . ---- Original Message --- From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: mkaiser@lpoaae.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, ODOT has rece.ived your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main Street Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach. o A directionall approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting ,I . .' o "Do Not Ente,r" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway o "Truck Exit O'nly" sign for exiting vehicles. '; . On site striping refiecting a right-out only. Please contact.me if you have questions. Thanks, . Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR.97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 o Ri! he .~ \ 12/2/2008 Date! Received' /0kl' Planner: AL , Message Page 1 of4 .. L1MBIRD Andrew From: L1MBIRD Andrew Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:00 PM To: DRISCOLL Jon Subject: FW: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Jon: Can you respond to Mr. Kaiser on the question of street parking? I'm going on vacation in a few minutes and won't have time to prepare a suitable response. I would think the adjacent property owner at 4418 Main Street would be the most concerned about a prohibition of parking on the east side of 44th Street..... Thanks Andy From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:46 PM To: UMBIRD Andrew Cc: GRILE Bill; DONOVAN James Subject: Fw: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) Andy, I am checking with the property owner and Enterprise to make sure they are okay with all of the ODOT requirements. The only question I have is the elimination of the parking on the east side of 44th Street. I am not sure why they think they can do that or what the City thinks about that. I am going to check with JRH Engineering (they did the truck turning analysis) to see if something can be modified with the approach on 44th or vehicle storage to get the truck in without the elimination of the parking on 44th. Does the City have any objections to the parking elimination requirement? Mike m__ Original Message moo From: MARKARIAN Moll\, To: LANGE Jeffrev R ; Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: RE: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) I've forwarded this information on to Andy Umbird as he is the now the Planner for this project. Mike, in incorporating ODOTs requirements into your design, please make sure that the design still meets all design and development standards of the Springfield Development Code. Molly Markarian Planner II City of Springfield - Development Services Department 541.726.4611 mmarkarian((i)ci .sorinafield. or. us From: LANGE Jeffrey R [mailto:Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; MARKARIAN Molly Date Received' I fpoO! Planner: AL 11/14/2008 Message .. Page 2 of 4 Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design <new Kaiser app 8988) Hi Mike, I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. . Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design vehicle. . The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards. . Install "Do Not Enter" signs facing Main Street traffic. . Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. . Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. . ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB~7 onto the site the parking on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking. . Onsite striping will not be required Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, DOOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access <new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less. I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will ~ock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow. I wonder. if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to use it? Ifmay deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone. will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by 11/14/2008 Date! Received:*I,Pa'J" Planner: AL Message Page 3 of4 its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are breaking the rules to use it. I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking '!t where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on ihe state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping? Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements. I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael J. Kaiser,PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC. PH 5411485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.nel P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST. - Original Message - From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: mkaiser@[1oaae.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach. . A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting . "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway . "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles. . On site striping reflecting a right-out only. 11/14/2008 Dat~ ReceiVed' II j;,//~p,r PI.anner: AL . " Message Page 4 of 4 Please contact me if you have questions. . Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 o Ri{ he .~ Dat€ll1teceived:~/;C"f Planner: AL 11/14/2008