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HomeMy WebLinkAboutComments ODOT 12/8/2008 ~ I Message Page 1 of6 L1MBIRD Andrew From: LANGE Jeffrey R (Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odotstate.or.us] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:24 AM To: Michael Kaiser Cc: DONOVAN James; LINER Duane J; CANTRELL Edward W; L1MSIRD Andrew Subject: RE: Design request follow-up (Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car, new Kaiser app 8988) I . Attachments: 0078_001.pdf Mike, I just returned to the office after being out for several days and am responding to your December 2nd e-mail. Using AutoTurn, our Roadway Designer created the attached pdf of a design file that shows off-tracking for a WB- 67 truck. Please note: - Trucks can only enter 44th Street from the west. Trucks can not make this maneuver from the east. - Trucks will need to occupy both lanes of 44th Street in order to make these maneuvers. - It is possible for a truck to turn onto 44th Street and maneuver thru the site, with or without parking along the easterly side of 44th. - If parking along 44th Street remains, then the access to your site from 44th Street will need to be larger. The two parking spaces, at the northerly side of the proposed building, will not be practical since the trucks will off- track into these spaces, As it is possible for a;WB-67truck to enter the site from 44th Street and exit from the proposed truck only right-out only road approach from the site to the highway, we will defer any changes or operational requirements on 44th Street or to the on-site parking to the City. We note the above for both your and the City's consideration. . . . We have advanced your application to Deemed Complete and will proceed with getting the formal approval decision processed. '!You should anticipa.te approval conditioned upon the design requirements I had indicated in my November 14, 2008 e - mail to you (see below). Please forward site plans incorporating the requested November 14, 2008 ?pproach design requirements to me as soon as possible so that I can have our technical people review them. . Sincerely, I Jeffrey Lange, DOOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8~80 -----Original Message-,--- From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:27 AM To: LANGE Jeffrey R; CANTRELL Edward W Cc: UNER DuaneJ Subject: Re: Design requestfollow-up (Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car, new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff andlor Ed, I still have not heard from JRH but I found some WB67templates (see attached WB67.dwg) in our drawing database that I forgot we had. I must have got them from somebody at ODOT in the late 90's when . Date ReceIved: IJ;/~/."U''''cf Planner: AL 12/8/2008 Message Page 2 of6 working on the Glenwood Blvd (now Brackenfem) interchange on 1-5. Anyway, I can reasonably get the WB67 vehicle onto the site from the 44th entrance with just a minor modification of the last design. I widened it from 34 to 35 feet and it just makes it keeping the wheel track about 8.25 feet from the east curb line on 44th stmet and finishing in the parking area somewhere between the 150 deg. track and the 180 deg. track. I am assuming the dotted line (on the right side of template) is an overhang which I kept a 6.25' clearance from the east curb. I imagine they could manuever a bit over the centerline of the street if needed to accomodate vehicles parked on the east side (if 6.25 feet is too tight). Will this suffic~ for evidence that the WB67 vehicle can get onto the site and eliminate the need to remove parking from the east side of the street? Mike Michael ], Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC PH 5411485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.nel P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-{)152 990 OBIE ST. - Original Message - From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: Michael Kaiser Cc: LINER Duane J ; CANTRELL Edward W Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Design request follow-up (Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car, new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, Have you been able to obtain turning templates for the WB-<37 or have further discussions with the City yet about restricting on-street parking if needed. Have a great holiday, Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 I From: LANGE Jeffrey R Sent: Monday, November 17, 20089:19 AM To: 'Michael Kaiser' Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; UMBIRD Andrew Subject: Mike, Ed Cantrell with our Roadway Unit commented under the prior application review that a WB-<37 could not make the movements necessary to access the site via 44th Street unless the on street parking on the east side was eliminated, The on street parking will need to be eliminated as a condition of approval or you will need to provide turning templates showing how the WB-67 is able to access the site. Please work with Ed if you feel you are able to show how a WB-<37 can access the site with the on-street parking. 12/8/2008 Message Page 3 of6 Per your other e-mail questions, a lowered sidewalk/dustpan type design can be used to construclthe right-out approach. If you can submit completed plans as scion as possible we will be able to process your application more quickly. ODOT will need to receive and approve plans incorporating all of the requested design elements prior to issuing a construction permit. Thanks, . Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage,net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 20084:28 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; LIMBIRD Andrew Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, I will check with the owner and Enterprise but I think all of the items are okay, with the exception of the parking elimination on 44th Street. I am not sure if the City can do that nor do I think that they should, That is essentially parking that would be associated with the adjacent property owner on the other side of the street. I will check with JRH to see if we can do a simple modification with the 44th street approach andlor the site layout (for vehicle storage) that would enable the WB-67 vehicle to enter the site without elimination of the 44th street parking. I also sent an e-mail to the City to see what their thoughts were on being able to eliminate parking on the east side. I will let you know what I find out. Also, for the record, Andrew Limbird is the City planner on this project now and not Molly Markarian. He is included in the CC. Thanks, Mike Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC. PH S41/4BS-4S0S FAX S41/4BS-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.nel P.O. BOX 2S27 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST. -- Original Message - From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; mmarkarian{Ci)ci.sorinofield.or.us Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Hi Mike, I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they have agreed to modify ODOTs prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. 12/8/2008 Message Page 4 of6 . Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the exiting design vehicle. . The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards. . Install "Do Not Ente~' signs facing Main Street traffic. . Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. . Install a lockable gate on the private property that will remain closed except to allow trucks to exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. . . . ODOrs prior review concluded that to make the movement needed to get a WB-67 onto the site the parking on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking. . Onsite striping will not be required Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage,net] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: 'LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less, I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with more clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb, The slow entering truck would presenl unsafe barriers to traffic flow while trying to manuever into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Without the mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic flow, I wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site, I think the signs will deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not' see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are breaking the rules to use it. ' I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me for the relatively small number of vehicles that will be using it on a daily basis. The'same number of vehicles will be 12/8/2008 Message Page 5 of6 entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if that is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S. 44th Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic exiting the site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. There is an right arrow shown on the plan. Did you need something more for on site striping? Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements, I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael j, Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC PH 5411485-4505 FAX 541/485-5624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage,net' P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBlE ST. - Original Message - From: LANGE Jeffrev'R To: mkaiser@j:loage.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04,2008 10:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, ODOT has.received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Rent-A-Car site at 4396 Main Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk at the approach. . A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting . "Do Not Enter" sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway .' "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles. . On site striping reflecting a right-out only. 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