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HomeMy WebLinkAboutComments ODOT 11/17/2008 Message Page I of4 L1MBIRD Andrew From: LANGE Jeffrey R [Jeffrey.R.LANGE@odot.state.or.us] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:19 AM To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; L1MBIRD Andrew Mike, Ed Cantrelrwith our Roadway Unit commented under the prior application review that a WB-f37 could not make the movements necessary to access the site via 44th Street unless the on street parking on the east side was eliminated. The on street parking will need to be eliminated as a condition of approval or you will need to provide turning templates showing how the WB-f37 is able to access the site, Please work with Ed if you feel you are able to show how a WB-f37 can access the site with the on-street parking. Per your other e-mail questions, a lowered sidewalk/dustpan type design can be used to construct the right-out approach. If you can submit completed plans as soon as possible w.e will be able to process your application more quickly. ODOT will need to receive and approve plans incorporating all of the requested design elements prior to issuing a construction permit. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Michael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage,net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:28 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; LIMBIRD Andrew Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, I will check with the owner and Enterprise but I think all of the items are okay, with the exception of the parking elimination on 44th Street. I am not sure if the City can do that nor do I think that they should. That is essentially parking that would be associated with the adjacent property owner on the other side of the street. I will check with JRH to see if we can do a simple modification with the 441h street approach andlor the site layout (for vehicle storage) that would enable the WB-f37 vehicle to enter the site without elimination of the 44th street parking. I also sent an e-mail to the City to see what their thoughts were on being able to eliminate parking on the east side. I will let you know what I find out. Also, for the record, Andrew Limbird is the City planner on this project now and not Molly Markarian. He is included in the CC. Thanks, Mike Michael J. Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC. 12/2/2008 Date ~eceived: Planner: AL IL/1-/X}t7i' / I Message Page 2 of 4 PH 541/48S-450S FAX S41/48S-S624 E-MAIL mkaiser@poage.nel P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST. --- Original Message --~ From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: Michael Kaiser Cc: WARREN David; CANTRELL Edward W; mmarkarianra>cLsorinafield.or.us Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access Design (new Kaiser app 8988) Hi Mike, I discussed your concerns with the Traffic Manager and Roadway Designer and they'have agreed to modify ODOT's prior design requirements to facilitate your design vehicle. Please incorporate the following design elements into your plans and submit the completed plans to ODOT for our review and approval. o Construct a directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width io accommodate the exiting design vehicle. o The approach can be a lowered sidewalk design and must meet all ADA standards. o Install "Do Not Ente~' signs facing Main Street traffic. o Install "Truck Exit Only" & "Right Turn Only" signs for exiting trucks. o Install a lockable gate on the private property that'will remain closed except to allow' trucks to exit. The design must incorporate a gate, a chain or bollards will not be sufficient. o ODOT's prior review concluded that to make the moveme~t needed to get a WB-67 onto the site the parking on the easterly side of 44th Street would need to be eliminated. ODOT approval of the right-out approach will be conditioned upon the City approval of removing the 44th Street east side parking. o On site striping will not be required Please contact me if you have questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOr Access Coordinator. 644 A' Street , Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 From: Mi~hael Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@poage,net] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: LANGE Jeffrey R Subject: Re: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Jeff, Thanks for your response. I think the only thing we have a problem with doing is the mountable curb on Main Street. I had intended to make the plan address all the other items, more or less. I believe traffic flow on Main Street would be better served without the mountable curb for two reasons. First it presents a problem for trucks leaving our site and entering Main Street. The mountable curb will cause trucks to enter Main at a much slower speed than without a mountable curb. As you can see in the attached pdf images, the transport truck only has a clearance of about 5 inches. Even if it were a regular semi truck with . more clearance, I would wonder about the safety of proposing to enter a fairly busy road while dropping from a mountable curb and trying to keep in the right lane. The mountable curb will rock the transport vehicle and will likely scrape the curb or cause it to high center on the curb. The slow entering truck would present unsafe barriers to traffic ftow while trying to manu8ver into the right (westbound) lane of Main Street. Withoutthe mountable curb, trucks could enter the right lane sooner and with less interference of normal traffic f1(~ I Date i'(eCeived:--L!j~ ;1PIJO Planner: AL 12/2/2008 Message Page 3 of4 wonder if there are other similar situations where mountable curbs were used (on busy highways/Main Streets) and found to be safe or unsafe. Does the mountable curb really help the overall situation or are we making a worse problem by trying to use it? It may deter some cars from trying to use it, mainly detering left turns into the site from eastbound traffic, but is that worth making it unsafe for trucks trying to enter Main Street from this site. I think the signs wiU,deter most people. So for a very small percentage of people who will blatantly break the rules, we are making it unsafe for the actual intended user. . Second, the mountable curb will present problems for people who, although they see the signs (Do Not Enter, Exit Only), may not:see the mountable curb until too late and stop in traffic to maneuver over the curb. The signs alone will keep most people from trying to use the access as an entrance. Also, most others would be detered by its narrow width and design (angle to Main) not seeing adequate room for two way traffic. Instead the mountable curb only seems to add safety concerns for when it is used by those for whom it is intended and by those who are breaking the rules to use it. I did not include "Truck" in the exit only sign because it didn't seem that critical to me forlhe relatively small number of vehicles.that will be using it on a daily basis. The same number of vehicles will be entering Main Street from 44th Street just 157 feet to the east, should they not use this exit. I am not sure if thai is better for traffic or worse, just looking at where other accesses to Main Street are located, including flow from S. 44th Street and the businesses across Main Street. South 44th Street (on south side of Main) is located between our alternate access, 44th Street (on the north side of Main), and the proposed access to Main. Therefore the auto traffic we introduce to Main Street will either enter to the east of or to the west of S, 44th Street. I am not sure that will make any difference one way of the other. For entrance onto Main in general I would agree that it is easier to do from 44th street, but with the relatively small amount of traffic 'exiting lhe site, it just doesn't seem like something to make an issue over. So that said, we will add "Truck" to the "Exit Only" sign even though I am not convinced that it will have any positive or negative impact to traffic on the state highway. If it doesn't matter to ODOT either, we would prefer leaving the "Truck" part off from the sign but will do it if ODOT feels it necessary after reconsidering my argument to leave off. . There is an right arrow shown on the plan, Did you need something more for on site striping? Please let me know what you think about my position regarding the proposed access and ODOT requirements. . I did try to look at this from an objective point of view and identify any possible concerns there may be with the proposed access. I certainly do not pretend to have all the answers or know what is best for the State Highway . system and would welcome any insight you have on these matters in regards to this specific application. Sincerely, Mike Michael ], Kaiser, PE 56363 POAGE ENGINEERING & SURVEYING. INC. PH 541/485-4505 FAX'541/485-5624 E.MAIL mkaiser@poagc.net P.O. BOX 2527 EUGENE, OR 97402-0152 990 OBIE ST. . -- Original Message --- From: LANGE Jeffrev R To: mkaiser@Qoage.net Cc: WARREN David; LINER Duane J ; SANTOS Dennis N ; DETERING Lvnn Sent: Tuesday, November 04,2008 10:49 AM Subject: Springfield Enterprise Rent-A-Car Access (new Kaiser app 8988) Mike, ODOT has received your new approach application for the proposed Enterprise Renl-A-Car site 'at 4396 Main' Street. Per our phone conversation this morning ODOT is requesting that you design the right-out only approach to incorporate the following: 'I DatEl ~eceived:4/.z..,Of"" Planner: AL . 12/2/2008 Message Page 4 of 4 . A mountable curb design with a full height sidewalk aUhe approach. . A directional approach for right-out only with sufficient width to accommodate the trucks exiting . "Do Not Ente( sign facing traffic that may try to enter from the highway . "Truck Exit Only" sign for exiting vehicles. . On site striping reflecting a right-out only. Please contact me if you have questions, Thanks, Jeffrey Lange, ODOT Access Coordinator 644 A' Street Springfield, OR 97477 phone: (541) 744-8080 Date Received' ;)j~~ Planner: AL T'" 12/2/2008