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LIMBIRD Andrew
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Mary Bridget Smith [mbs@emeraldlaw.comj
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:22 AM
L1MBIRD Andrew
Helfrich Appeal
Hey Andy,
I will be out of town next week, so if something comes in on the Helfrich appeal please contact Joe Leahy.
Have a good New Year,
Mary Bridget Smith
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: Mary Bridget Smith [mbs@emeraldlaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11 :22 AM
To: L1MBIRD Andrew
Subject: Helfrich Appeal
Hi Andy,
I just spoke with Bill and sent him an email about the amended decision. We are good. Can you please send
me a copy of your revised decision for my file?
It's been a pleasure working with you, let me know if you need anything else.
Mary Bridget Smith
LEAHY, VAN VACTOR & COX, LLP
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: Mary Bridget Smith [mbs@emeraldlaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11: 18 AM
To: billkloos@landUseOregon.com
Cc: L1MBIRD Andrew; DONOVAN James
Subject: Helfrich Appeal
Hi Bill,
The City had a chance to consult engineering and visit the site with regard to the curb and gutter conditions.
Andy Umbird will issue a revised decision today where Mr. Helfrich can defer the curb and gutter improvements
until the remainder of the tax lot is developed. It will be similar to paving the cui de sac bulb in that curb and
gutter improvements will be included in the Improvement Agreement and there will also have to be a deed
. restriction for the curb and gutter i[11provements. Mr. Helfrich is still required to pave his driveway.
I'll also follow up with a phone call. Let me know if you have any questions. Have a great Holiday,
Mary Bridget Smith
LEAHY, VAN VACTOR & COX, LLP
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: DONOVAN James
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:27 PM
To: L1MSIRD Andrew
Subject: RE: FW: Helfrich appeal
I agree, We have to protect what we are putting down in the cul-de-sac or that's a waste too!
JD
From: LIMBIRD Andrew
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:2S PM
To: DONOVAN James; 'Mary Bridget Smith'
Subject: RE: FW: Helfrich appeal
I can understand the issue about pre-engineering the curbline, but if this improvement is deferred I anticipate they
will next request deferral of driveway paving. The applicant will cite the difficulty in matching the driveway apron
to an interim gravel surface, which'is not the finished pavement grade. So this latest request seems 'like a
slippery slope to me,__ Perhaps a temporary asphalt/concrete driveway apron that is designed to'be removed
when cul-de-sac improvements are made would be acceptable. It's a "throwaway" improvement, but the applicant
can't dodge all costs for developing this property, In any event, deferring the curblgutter improvements should be
the final concession.
Andy
From: DONOVAN James
Sent: Monday, December 22, 20081:07 PM
To: LIMBIRD Andrew; Mary Bridget Smith
Subject: FW: FW: Helfrich appeal
I was anticipating that response. We should consider the engineering points__. .and not Mr. McLaughlin's editorial
comments. '
JD
From: Sill Kloos [mailto:billkloos@landuseoregon.com]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:S7 PM
To: Mary Bridget Smith
Cc: Jim Mclaughlin; Bill Kloos; LIMBIRD Andrew; DONOVAN James
Subject: FW: FW: Helfrich appeal, .
Mary Bridget:
Please see the points below raised by Jim McLaughlin, who has a much better grasp than I about how
improvements actually come together in the real world. I think his point is that is does not make a lot of sense,
in terms of engineering and cost~effectiveness, to do the curb and gutter ala carte from the balan'ce of the CDS.
Wouldn't it be just as workable from the city's standpoint to include these pieces in the improvement.
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agreement, or bond for them, or ensure them ,by some other means, such that the full CDS gets done all at one
time?
Bill Kloos
Law Office of Bill Kloos, PC
375 W 4th Street: Suite 204
Eugene, OR 97401
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From: J Mclaughlin [mailto:61blur@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:37 AM
To: billkloos@landuseoregon.com , .
Subject: Re: FW: Helfrich appeal
Bill-
Here are a few things to consider:
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]. The purpose of curb and gutter is many:
a. Pr,ovides the grade control for the stormwater runoff which lands on the paving surface
b. Provides a frame to contain the paving surface,
c. Construction 'of the curb and gutter Is a integral component of the paving surface construction, the
excavation, base compaction, and the base rock for the curb 'and gutter should be completed when
the final surface is constructed,
2. Evaluating the items I stated above here is some of the problems that I see with the requirement of
constructing a partial portion of the curb and gutter at this time:
a. No design has been completed for the cul-de-sac which includes:
i. Grade
ii. Low point
iii. SW Conveyance system connection
iv. Catch basin I curb inlet location
v, Pavement structure design
vi. Weep hole location
3. From an engineering perspective requiring the partial construction of the curb and gulterwhich will not
provide any of the functional purposes is a waste of time and money, .'
I am not sure what advantage to the public or what enhancement to the public infra structure will be created by the
construction of the curb and gutter without a final design, This feels like a haste make waste approach. The
proposed improvement agreement will provide the insurance that when the cul-de-sac needs to be improved it will
be.
u.jim
On Fri, Dee] 9, 2008 at 9:] 7 AM, Bill Kloos <billklooslallanduseore!!on.com> wrote:
Jim:
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See, below,
Bill Kloos,
Law Office of Bill Kloos, PC
375 W. 4th Street, Suite 204
Eugene, OR 97401
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From: Mary Bridget Smith [mailto:mbs@emeraldlaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18,20081:26 PM
To: billkloos@landUseOregon,com
Cc: alimbird@ci.soringfield,or.us; idonovan@ci.snringfield.or,us; Joe Leahy
Subject: Helfrich appeal .
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Hello Bill,
Thanks for getting back to me about the revised decision for the Helfrich appeal.
I don't agree with your request regarding folding condition 4 into condition 2, To make sure we are all on the same page
about the resolution, I'd like to clarify' a few things.
. Condition 4 pertains to curb and gutter improvements in front of Mr. Helfrich's property and it was not appealed.
. The resolution about waiting to make improvements until TL 503 is developed, involves only paving the cul-de-sac
, bulb, not curb and gutter in front ofMr. Helfrich's property.
. The improvement agreement deals only with improvements to the 20th Street cul"de-sac (and bulb area) once the
area is annexed by the City. Mr. Helfrich will still be required to pave his driveway and install improvements in
front of his property in accordance with the Development Code and provisions,ofthe land use decision. The
agreement to allow a gravel driving surface that meets Fire Code standards applied only to the bulb portion of the
cul-de-sac, not Mr. Helfrich's driveway.
Are we still on the same page?
H~ve a good evening,
Mary Bridget Smith
LEAHY, V AN V ACTOR & COX, LLP
(541) 746-9621
mbs@emeraldlaw,com
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: Mary Bridget Smith [mbs@emeraldlaw,com]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:39 AM
To: L1MBIRD Andrew
Subject: Helfrich Appeal
Hi Andy, ,
I just left a message and emailedBillabouttheappeaL.I.lIlel you know when I hear anything.
MBS
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: Mary Bridget Smith, [mbs@emeraldlaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 20084:26 PM
To: ' billkloos@landUseOregon.com
Cc: L1MBIRD Andrew; DONOVAN James; Joe Leahy
Subject: Helfrich appeal
Hello Bill,
Thanks for getting back to me about the revised decision for the Helfrich appeal.
I don't agree with your request regarding folding condition 4 into condition 2. To make sure we are all on the
same page about the resolution, I'd like to clarify a few things.
. Condition 4 pertains to curb and gutter improvements in front of Mr. Helfrich's property and it was not
appealed.
. The resolution about waiting to make improvements until TL 503 is developed, involves only paving the
cul-de-sac bulb, not curb and gutter in front of Mr. Helfrich's property.
. The improvement agreement deals only with improvements to the 20th Street cul-de-sac (and bulb area)
once the area is annexed by the City. Mr. Helfrich will still be required to pave his driveway and install
improvements in front of his property in accordance with the Development Code and provisions of the
land use decision. The agreement to allow a gravel driving surface that meets Fire Code standards
applied only to the bulb portion of the cul-de-sac, not Mr. Helfrich's driveway.
Are we still on the same page?
Have a good evening,
Mary Bridget Smith
LEAHY, VAN VACTOR & COX, LLP
(541) 746-9621
mbs((j)emeraldlaw,com
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L1MBIRD Andrew
From: L1MBIRD Andrew
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 20084:31 PM
To: 'Mary Bridget Smith'
Subject: RE: Helfrich appeal
Thanks Mary Bridget - let me know if-you get any feedback from Me. Kloos on this issue,
Andy
From: Mary Bridget Smith [mailto:mbs@emeraldlaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:26 PM
To: billkloos@landUseOregon.com
Ce: UMBIRD Andrew; DONOVAN James; Joe Leahy
Subject: Helfrich appeal
Hello Bill,
Thanks for getting back to me about the revised decision for the Helfrich appeal.
I don't agree with your request regarding folding condition 4 into condition 2. To make sure we are all on the
same page about the resolution, I'd like to clarify a few things.
. Condition 4 pertains to curb and gutter improvements in front of Me. Helfrich's property and it was not
appealed.
. The resolution about waiting to make improvements, until TL 503 is developed, involves only paving the
culcde-sac bulb, not curb and gutter in front of Me. Helfrich's property.
. The improvement agreement deals only with improvements to the 20th Street cul-de-sac (and bulb area)
once the area is annexed by the City. Me. Helfrich will still be required to pave his driveway and install
improvements in front of his property in accordance with the Development Code and provisions of the
land use decision. The agreement to allow a gravel driving surface that meets Fire Code standards
applied only to the bulb portion of the cul-de-sac, not Me.. Helfrich's driveway,
Are we still.on the same page?
Have a good evening,
Mary Bridget Smith
LEAHY, VAN VACTOR & COX, LLP
(541) 746-9621
mbsti'ilemeraldlaw.com
.Please note my new email address.
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